dvd seeking problem

[ciukacz]

i have a dvd image mounted in daemon tools. then i try to play using 'open dvd standard device'. plays ok. however when i try to seek the movie (when i click on the horizontal "scroll bar" thingy) the movie:

a) plays a couple of frames (<5) and then pauses for a long time (10sec+) and then usually plays ok (it freezes rarely). when waiting for it to 'catch up' i can click 'stop', change preferences etc
b) player freezes to death and i have to terminate the process kmplayer.exe

that also happens when i reset kmp's settings


using:

kmplayer 2.9.3.1214
Oceans.Eleven.2001.PAL.DVDR.iNTERNAL-sTOs

ctrl+tab shows:

[Primary Filtergraph]
0) - DVD Navigator
1) - Gabest MPEG Video Deocder for MPEG2
2) - AC3 Filter for AC3
3) - KMP Video Transform
4) - OverlayMixer
5) - KMP Audio Transform(Copy)
6) - DirectSound Audio Renderer
7) - Video Renderer

[Video Info]
Decoder - (MPEG2) Gabest MPEG Video Deocder for MPEG2
Format - Major Type: Video - Sub Type: YV12
VideoInfo2: YV12 720X576, 12 bits

[Audio Info]
Decoder - (0x2000) AC3 Filter for AC3
Format - Major Type: Audio - Sub Type: PCM
WaveFormatEx: ExtPCM(0xFFFE), 48000 Hz, 16 Bits, 6 Ch

[Basic Video DSP]
Internal brightness: 100%

[Advanced Video DSP]
+PostProcess
+PictureProperty(S/W Process)
-LumGain: 128
-LumOffset: 0
-Gamma: 100
-HUE: 0
-Saturation: 64
+Video Plugin

[Audio DSP]
+Pre amplification: Main: (100%)
+Pre amplification: AC3/DTS: (10dB)

[Subtitle Settings]
+Draw Mode(Selected): Image
+Draw Mode(In use): On Overlay
+Text Rendering Method: Rasterizer
+Support HTML Tags(SMI)

[KMPlayer]
+Version: 2.9.3.1214(5 294 592, 2007-01-24 18:39:30)
+libcodec.dll: Exist(3 883 520, 2007-01-24 16:41:00)
+libmplay.dll: Exist(423 424, 2007-01-24 16:41:54)
+PProcDLL.dll: Exist(1 347 584, 2006-12-12 16:17:06)
+LibDTS.dll: Exist(225 280, 2006-04-29 02:54:52)
+liba52.dll: Exist(103 936, 2006-04-08 11:59:36)
+libfaad2.dll: Exist(335 872, 2006-04-08 11:56:22)
+libmad.dll: Exist(86 528, 2005-03-14 15:18:48)
+libmpeg2.dll: Exist(122 880, 2006-09-01 16:21:00)
+theora.dll: Exist(183 808, 2005-08-04 02:55:32)
+OggVorbis.dll: Exist(1 253 376, 2006-10-27 00:51:30)
+xviddll.dll: Exist(593 920, 2006-11-30 15:21:48)
+wmploc.dll: Missed
+wmpui.dll: Missed
+Old_QUARTZ.DLL: Exist(770 048, 1999-05-05 15:22:00)
+AboutDll.dll: Exist(105 472, 2005-10-03 07:12:18)
+DTView.dll: Exist(104 448, 2006-11-20 14:33:18)
+MPlayer.dll: Missed
+ImLoader.dll: Exist(856 064, 2006-01-15 07:21:26)


--------------------
[System Info]
--------------------
CPU 0: 2200MHz, AMD Athlon(TM) XP 3200+, x86 Family 6 Model 10 Stepping 0
OS: Windows XP Professional(Version 5.1 Build 2600) Service Pack 2
Video: NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT

DirectX: 9.0c(4.09.00.0904)
Memory: All: 1 048 084 KB, Available: 667 928 KB, Used: 36%
CodePage: 1250, Charset:1
Instruction: MMX MMX2 SSE 3DNOW 3DNOWEXT

[System Process]
System
smss.exe
csrss.exe
winlogon.exe
services.exe
lsass.exe
svchost.exe
svchost.exe
svchost.exe
svchost.exe
svchost.exe
avp.exe
svchost.exe
nvsvc32.exe
outpost.exe
explorer.exe
cpuidle.exe
CTSysVol.exe
Amoumain.exe
avp.exe
speedfan.exe
TOTALCMD.EXE
utorrent.exe
wmpnscfg.exe
winamp.exe
Opera.exe
KMPlayer.exe
daemon.exe

[Waldemar Sikorski]

Download the newest beta - .1302

[mad]

1) - Gabest MPEG Video Deocder for MPEG2
Is this a KMP typo?

[ciukacz]

Is this a KMP typo?

i copied and pasted that from kmp. it's not my typo.
oh, and sharp sight there btw ;)

[ciukacz]

Download the newest beta - .1302

newest beta (1305) didn't help. in fact, it seems like i have to wait a lot longer than 10sec.

i should have mentioned that the .vob files are pretty big - 0.9 gb. i have already tried to fix this issue using advice from the following link, but it also didn't help.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

any other ideas ?

[mouse]

It is a different problem as you are playing dvd, not a vob file.

BTW, it looks weird you have such a problem.

What about other players?

[ciukacz]

What about other players?

PowerDVD Ultra 7.2 BD Edition works flawlessly.

[Waldemar Sikorski]

On the light side, for someone with a cz in the UN your command of English is impressive.
Your problem might be something for Z to tackle. Unfortunately (for him) he's still the only one on this forum that has complete knowledge of the player.

[ciukacz]

for someone with a cz in the UN

good one :) oh and btw - i'm also polish

your command of English is impressive

thx, apparently you're not worse than me ;)

Your problem might be something for Z to tackle. Unfortunately (for him) he's still the only one on this forum that has complete knowledge of the player.

err... i thought he was the developer. isn't he ?

[Waldemar Sikorski]

You had to be with the cz.
No, I'm better!
Z created this forum and is a mediator between us and the developer.

[ciukacz]

it looks like this is a problem with this particular dvd image. someone cares enough to try ?

[Only registered and activated users can see links]'s+eleven

4.47 GB

[mouse]

Powerdvd is not the one to be compared with KMP as it has its own dvd navigator. Try if it work in MPC, Zoom Player, BSplayer, and GOM etc.

It may be a dvd navigator problem.

[ciukacz]

and what exactly is a dvd navigator ?
mpc freezes

[mouse]

It is something like a source filter integrated with splitter (similar to haali's splitter etc) playing a key role for DVD playback. The default dvd navigator is the one shipped with directx from Microsoft.

Googling will give you some more information.

[Waldemar Sikorski]

OK Ciukacz'u,

If I had known that it will take me almost 24h to download I wouldn't have done it but...
I have no problems at all.

[Primary Filtergraph]
0) - DVD Navigator
1) - AC3 Filter for AC3
2) - CyberLink Video/SP Decoder (PDVD7)
3) - KMP Video Transform
4) - KMP Audio Transform(Copy)
5) - DirectSound Audio Renderer
6) - Video Mixing Renderer9(Renderless)

[Video Info]
Decoder - (MPEG2) CyberLink Video/SP Decoder (PDVD7)
Format - Major Type: Video - Sub Type: YUY2
VideoInfo2: YUY2 720X576, 16 bits

[Audio Info]
Decoder - (0x2000) AC3 Filter for AC3
Format - Major Type: Audio - Sub Type: PCM
WaveFormatEx: PCM(0x1), 48000 Hz, 16 Bits, 2 Ch

[Basic Video DSP]
Internal brightness: 100%

[Advanced Video DSP]
+Video Plugin

[Audio DSP]
+Pre amplification: Main: (100%)
+Equalizer, Mode: DirectX DMO
+Auto Volume Control
+3D Effect: 5500
+Crystality: 3
+Audio Plugin

[Subtitle Settings]
+Draw Mode(Selected): Image
+Draw Mode(In use): On Overlay
+Text Rendering Method: Rasterizer
+Support HTML Tags(SMI)

[KMPlayer]
+Version: 2.9.3.1305(5,524,480, 6/10/2007 8:43:46 PM)
+libcodec.dll: Exist(4,344,832, 6/10/2007 10:02:02 AM)
+libmplay.dll: Exist(437,760, 6/10/2007 10:41:50 AM)
+PProcDLL.dll: Exist(1,769,472, 6/4/2007 9:27:36 AM)
+LibDTS.dll: Exist(144,384, 5/24/2007 9:01:04 AM)
+liba52.dll: Exist(56,320, 5/24/2007 9:00:52 AM)
+libfaad2.dll: Exist(212,480, 5/24/2007 9:00:28 AM)
+libmad.dll: Exist(92,672, 5/24/2007 9:01:18 AM)
+libmpeg2.dll: Exist(126,464, 5/24/2007 9:01:46 AM)
+theora.dll: Exist(196,608, 4/13/2007 8:46:04 AM)
+OggVorbis.dll: Exist(1,165,312, 5/24/2007 9:08:26 AM)
+xviddll.dll: Exist(655,872, 5/24/2007 9:06:04 AM)
+wmploc.dll: Missed
+wmpui.dll: Missed
+Old_QUARTZ.DLL: Exist(770,048, 5/5/1999 10:22:00 PM)
+AboutDll.dll: Exist(105,472, 10/3/2005 2:12:18 PM)
+DTView.dll: Exist(104,448, 11/20/2006 9:33:20 PM)
+MPlayer.dll: Missed
+ImLoader.dll: Exist(856,064, 1/15/2006 2:21:26 PM)


--------------------
[System Info]
--------------------
CPU 0: 1994MHz, AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+, x86 Family 15 Model 47 Stepping 2
OS: Windows XP Home Edition(Version 5.1 Build 2600) Service Pack 2
Video: ATI MOBILITY RADEON XPRESS 200

DirectX: 9.0c(4.09.00.0904)
Memory: All: 2,095,600 KB, Available: 1,549,840 KB, Used: 26%
CodePage: 1252, Charset:1
Instruction: MMX MMX2 SSE SSE2 SSE3 3DNOW 3DNOWEXT 64Bits

[System Process]
System
smss.exe
csrss.exe
winlogon.exe
services.exe
lsass.exe
ati2evxx.exe
svchost.exe
svchost.exe
svchost.exe
ati2evxx.exe
spoolsv.exe
explorer.exe
svchost.exe
btwdins.exe
cisvc.exe
cmdagent.exe
SynTPEnh.exe
cpf.exe
LClock.exe
VisualToolTip.exe
rundll32.exe
Styler.exe
Winpooch.exe
ClamTray.exe
ctfmon.exe
wmiapsrv.exe
BTTray.exe
WlanUtil.exe
wmiprvse.exe
svchost.exe
daemon.exe
KMPlayer.exe
cidaemon.exe


I don't know what skin you're using but I like Pure+ (has good DVD nav. contr.)

1) For chapter search.
2) Stepped FF & REV

[ciukacz]

wow, you actually have downloaded that dvd.
could you post your results when using default navigator and dvd decoders ?

i have noticed that pdvd6 navigator + pdvd7 decoders (added via scan) help a lot. the player rarely freezes. still, after seeking i get extremely low fps (less than 5 fps) for a few seconds.

have you tried seeking with "3" ?

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

also, zoom player works great

[Waldemar Sikorski]

I'll try to run some tests later. I live in California so there is a 9 hour diff.
It's 13:42 now.
I have tried 3 and it will pause till finds the spot but nothing else happens.
The shorter the movie/clip the better the seeking is with the slider. With some you can actually go, almost frame by frame.
In order to make 2 work in reverse (reverse the action on screen), with regular DVD, I had to install the video/sp decoder.

I forgot to mention in the earlier post that you can also seek with the two rectangular buttons on both sides of the track bar. I think they're set for 5 sec. but that can be changed.

[Waldemar Sikorski]

Obviously I didn't do enough testing.
I only have 1 iso file so can't compare results. I looks like Ciukacz was right about the seek problem. With the bar or buttons, usually when you seek more than once the KMP freezes.
I think this should be moved to 'Bugs'.
Posted results are for iso but simmilar problem with video_ts of the same file.

[Primary Filtergraph]
0) - DVD Navigator
1) - AC3 Filter for AC3
2) - CyberLink Video/SP Decoder (PDVD7)
3) - KMP Video Transform
4) - KMP Audio Transform(Copy)
5) - DirectSound Audio Renderer
6) - Haali's Video Renderer

[Video Info]
Decoder - (MPEG2) CyberLink Video/SP Decoder (PDVD7)
Format - Major Type: Video - Sub Type: YUY2
VideoInfo2: YUY2 720X576, 16 bits

[Audio Info]
Decoder - (0x2000) AC3 Filter for AC3
Format - Major Type: Audio - Sub Type: PCM
WaveFormatEx: ExtPCM(0xFFFE), 48000 Hz, 16 Bits, 6 Ch

[Basic Video DSP]
Internal brightness: 100%


[Advanced Video DSP]
+Video Plugin

[Audio DSP]
+Pre amplification: Main: (100%)
+Equalizer, Mode: DirectX DMO
+Auto Volume Control
+3D Effect: 5500
+Crystality: 3
+Audio Plugin

[Subtitle Settings]
+Draw Mode(Selected): Image
+Draw Mode(In use): On Overlay
+Text Rendering Method: Rasterizer
+Support HTML Tags(SMI)

[KMPlayer]
+Version: 2.9.3.1309(5,524,992, 6/17/2007 10:52:14 PM)
+libcodec.dll: Exist(4,344,832, 6/16/2007 11:09:24 PM)
+libmplay.dll: Exist(437,760, 6/16/2007 11:13:46 PM)
+PProcDLL.dll: Exist(1,769,472, 6/4/2007 9:27:36 AM)
+LibDTS.dll: Exist(144,384, 5/24/2007 9:01:04 AM)
+liba52.dll: Exist(56,320, 5/24/2007 9:00:52 AM)
+libfaad2.dll: Exist(212,480, 5/24/2007 9:00:28 AM)
+libmad.dll: Exist(92,672, 5/24/2007 9:01:18 AM)
+libmpeg2.dll: Exist(126,464, 5/24/2007 9:01:46 AM)
+theora.dll: Exist(196,608, 4/13/2007 8:46:04 AM)
+OggVorbis.dll: Exist(1,165,312, 5/24/2007 9:08:26 AM)
+xviddll.dll: Exist(655,872, 5/24/2007 9:06:04 AM)
+wmploc.dll: Missed
+wmpui.dll: Missed
+Old_QUARTZ.DLL: Exist(770,048, 5/5/1999 10:22:00 PM)
+AboutDll.dll: Exist(105,472, 10/3/2005 2:12:18 PM)
+DTView.dll: Exist(104,448, 11/20/2006 9:33:20 PM)
+MPlayer.dll: Missed
+ImLoader.dll: Exist(856,064, 1/15/2006 2:21:26 PM)


--------------------
[System Info]
--------------------
CPU 0: 997MHz, AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+, x86 Family 15 Model 47 Stepping 2
OS: Windows XP Home Edition(Version 5.1 Build 2600) Service Pack 2
Video: ATI MOBILITY RADEON Xpress 200 Series

DirectX: 9.0c(4.09.00.0904)
Memory: All: 2,095,600 KB, Available: 1,634,096 KB, Used: 22%
CodePage: 1252, Charset:1
Instruction: MMX MMX2 SSE SSE2 SSE3 3DNOW 3DNOWEXT 64Bits

[System Process]
System
smss.exe
csrss.exe
winlogon.exe
services.exe
lsass.exe
ati2evxx.exe
svchost.exe
svchost.exe
svchost.exe
svchost.exe
svchost.exe
ati2evxx.exe
explorer.exe
spoolsv.exe
btwdins.exe
cmdagent.exe
wdfmgr.exe
atiptaxx.exe
SynTPEnh.exe
eabservr.exe
wmiprvse.exe
jusched.exe
HP Wireless Assistant.exe
alg.exe
cpf.exe
ClamTray.exe
LClock.exe
Styler.exe
hpwuSchd2.exe
robotaskbaricon.exe
daemon.exe
YahooWidgetEngine.exe
YahooWidgetEngine.exe
YahooWidgetEngine.exe
YahooWidgetEngine.exe
YahooWidgetEngine.exe
KMPlayer.exe

[Primary Filtergraph]
0) - DVD Navigator
1) - Gabest MPEG Video Deocder for MPEG2
2) - AC3 Filter for AC3
3) - KMP Video Transform
4) - OverlayMixer
5) - KMP Audio Transform(Copy)
6) - DirectSound Audio Renderer
7) - Video Renderer

[Video Info]
Decoder - (MPEG2) Gabest MPEG Video Deocder for MPEG2
Format - Major Type: Video - Sub Type: YV12
VideoInfo2: YV12 720X576, 12 bits

[Audio Info]
Decoder - (0x2000) AC3 Filter for AC3
Format - Major Type: Audio - Sub Type: PCM
WaveFormatEx: ExtPCM(0xFFFE), 48000 Hz, 16 Bits, 6 Ch

[Basic Video DSP]
Internal brightness: 100%

[Advanced Video DSP]
+Video Plugin

[Audio DSP]
+Pre amplification: Main: (100%)
+Auto Volume Control
+Audio Plugin

[Subtitle Settings]
+Draw Mode(Selected): Image
+Draw Mode(In use): On Overlay
+Text Rendering Method: Rasterizer
+Support HTML Tags(SMI)

[Waldemar Sikorski]

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

[z]

I've already tested it.
As DVD playback is a different subject, it'll take times to know the result.
Personally I think this might be possible to fix.



BTW, it's hard to answer the problem which I don't know well or can't confirm for some reason (e.g. lack of information and samples for the most cases, or just impossible to verify due to the testing environment).

As you may know, it is very time-consuming job to trace and figure out the problem. Once it is figured out, it is rather simple to fix. So it is natural that the well-written reports are considered preferentially.

Most of the problem reported from Peuj are fixed due to the comprehensive description. He knows what the bug report is and must be. :) It is very simple but most users do not read even the guide. :p

[Waldemar Sikorski]

I understand Z, I can upload a circa 250MB sample from the video_ts file, it gives very simmilar results.

[z]

The author seems to fail to find the reason why seeking backward in some dvd causes the problem. As there is no special process with seeking, it looks hard to figure out in which the problem lies.

[ciukacz]

thanks for not giving up on my issue !
maybe this will get fixed sometime

[z]

I found a very interesting phenomenon. I don't know the reason but the seeking in dvd never died with cyberlink audio decoder. -O-

[Troyx]

Same here. Seeking *ANY* DVD with mouse or keys is too slow - frame changes about 5-10 seconds later, while there is no such problem with other players. I reset all settings to defaults, tried various splitter/decoder configurations but nothin helps. I am using latest official (non-beta) version. Is it considered as a bug and fixed in later Betas?

[mouse]

I don't think it is the problem of KMP as the player only provides dvd interface. In my own test, the seeking problem of dvd is still there with other dvd frontends of directshow such as zoom player. If there is no problem with other players based on directshow, you can try the same filters used in that app.

while there is no such problem with other players.
Make sure that it is not a powerdvd, windvd, or something else exclusively designed for the purpose of playing dvd.

ps. Try pgup/pgdn key.